Soldiers: German POWs on Fighting, Killing, and Dying (2020)

Soldiers: German POWs on Fighting, Killing, and Dying Sönke Neitzel Harald Welzer Soldiers German POWs on Fighting Killing and Dying On a visit to the British National Archive in Sonke Neitzel made a remarkable discovery reams of meticulously transcribed conversations among German POWs that had been covertly recorded and rece
  • Title: Soldiers: German POWs on Fighting, Killing, and Dying
  • Author: Sönke Neitzel Harald Welzer
  • ISBN: 9780771051074
  • Page: 169
  • Format: Paperback
Soldiers: German POWs on Fighting, Killing, and Dying Sönke Neitzel Harald Welzer On a visit to the British National Archive in 2001, Sonke Neitzel made a remarkable discovery reams of meticulously transcribed conversations among German POWs that had been covertly recorded and recently declassified Netizel would later find another collection of transcriptions, twice as extensive, in the National Archive in Washington These were discoveries that wou On a visit to the British National Archive in 2001, Sonke Neitzel made a remarkable discovery reams of meticulously transcribed conversations among German POWs that had been covertly recorded and recently declassified Netizel would later find another collection of transcriptions, twice as extensive, in the National Archive in Washington These were discoveries that would provide a unique and profoundly important window into the true mentality of the soldiers in the Wehrmacht, the Luftwaffe, the German navy, and the military in general almost all of whom had insisted on their own honourable behaviour during the war Collaborating with renowned social psychologist Harald Welzer, Neitzel examines these conversations and the casual, pitiless brutality omnipresent in them from a historical and psychological perspective, and in reconstucting the frameworks and situations behind these conversations, they have created a powerful narrative of wartime experience.
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  1. Scott

    Yikes Soldaten is chilling stuff This is not bedtime reading.There are some grim truths in this book, grim truths about soldiering, war, and the complicity of many German soldiers in heinous war crimes Even shocking than revelations of actual crimes are the casual way they are discussed, something that suggests that such evils were both widespread and accepted as normal.Based on thousands of protocols made from secret recordings of German internees in POW camps in both the US and UK, Soldaten e [...]

  2. Charles Weinblatt

    They seized three year old Jewish children by the hair, held them up and shot them with a pistol The Latvians and German soldiers were standing there, looking on The whole thing sounds just like a fairy story If one were to destroy all the Jews in the world simultaneously, there would not remain a single accuser laughing.During World War II, a large number of German soldiers were captured and interrogated by British Intelligence agents The authors of this book uncovered almost 800 pages of trans [...]

  3. David Bird

    This is an important book It makes one sit a little less complacently in one s skin It has the courage to trace a line from ordinary humanity to the ordinary German soldier to the commission of atrocities One is reminded throughout that it s a German academic book infelicities of translation abound But being reminded of its Germanness is often a good thing, because one also realizes that the authors, had they been in a different generation, would have been likely to have been combatants rather t [...]

  4. Hadrian

    Excerpted transcripts of the recorded conversations of German PoWs in the United Kingdom and United States, with extensive commentary and analysis Focus on specific aspects of the experience of war, with the main thesis that the extensive brutality was perceived as normal operating procedure for the vast majority of troops, and that no ideological indoctrination was necessary for it Even striking is the total refutation of the Clean Wehrmacht myth that few soldiers in the German army had any id [...]

  5. Fenriz Angelo

    Interesting recount on the sociological aspects german soldiers endured during World War II Though is mainly focused on the eastern front since the information recollected comes from POWs in England, there s still some accounts regarding the Afrikan Corps This book takes on how the early ages of National Socialism influenced and made possible the desensitization of acts of violence from it s citizen and feed them with antisemitism whether the citizens agreed with it or not It was all a subtle pr [...]

  6. Bas Kreuger

    Disturbing book as it shows how thin the line is between normal civilised peacetime behaviour and also normal wartime behavior and thinking.The best example was at the very end of the book where the attack by American soldiers in Iraq was described from an Apache attack helicopter against unarmed civilians and it was shown how their state of mind was so pre conditioned that there was hardly any possibility for them to see those unarmed civilians as anything else than armed insurgents The pipe on [...]

  7. Roger

    This is a fascinating book with an odd premise One of the authors, in the course of research, stumbled across the little known fact that during World War II both the British and Americans bugged their POW camps, and transcribed tens, perhaps hundreds of thousands of pages of conversations between the inmates This was done during the War for intelligence purposes, and after the conflict the transcripts were filed away in archives This resource is a treasure trove for historians and has, and no do [...]

  8. Michael Flanagan

    For me this book ticked all the boxes and was a highly enjoyable read It takes the time to explain the mind set of Werchmat soldiers and explains how the normalization of violence experienced by any front line troops occurs A fantastic study into the world during the war and those who fought it Through the transcripts of German POW s the author pulls apart the social and human aspects of war and soldiers and shows it in a crystal clear perspective This book should be mandatory reading of any mil [...]

  9. Gabriele Goldstone

    I couldn t stop reading this book I kept thinking of my dad and other family members the Luftwaffe pilots, Eastern Front soldiers, POWs This book has helped fill in some of the blanks Quite a lot of ground is covered And it s a book I m sure I ll refer to back over and over My favorite quote is on page 337 by Willy Peter Reese Just like winter clothing covers up almost all of you except for your eyes, the fact of being a soldier only allowed space for tiny bits of individuality So grateful that [...]

  10. Dschreiber

    In 2001 historian S nke Neitzel, a visiting lecturer from Germany at the University of Glasgow, was reading a book on the Battle of the Atlantic when was surprised to come across several pages reporting the secretly recorded conversations of POWs from German U boats Reports based on interrogations were well known to him, but not transcriptions of private conversations recorded by hidden microphones in POW camps Intrigued, although expecting very little, he took a trip to London and requested the [...]

  11. Regina Polli

    Esse livro, apesar de trazer um documento hist rico incr vel e imprescind vel, pode tamb m ser muito atual e revelar muito de nossa sociedade hoje, em pleno s culo XXI, mostrando que ou a hist ria mesmo c clica ou a humanidade em geral n o evoluiu em nada Para come ar podemos ver que a espionagem algo que vem de muito tempo atr s, ent o WikiLeaks e Snowden s vieram mesmo para revelar algo que existia e ainda deve existir, pois duvido que os governos v o deixar uma arma dessas para tr s Mas o mai [...]

  12. Themistocles

    I had such high hopes for this book Intimate, unedited discussions are always tremendously interesting since apart from the voyeuristic PoV they provide for unfiltered narratives However, the bulk of the book is way too fragmented a couple of sentences from each discussion, followed by a skin deep sociological and psychological analysis I mean, really basic stuff Like showing you a painting and then following it with a blurb saying here s a window, and outside you can see some grass and the sky [...]

  13. Mirko

    Read in Dutch It is an impressive read on how humans think about themselves and others, especially in times of war One will often be ashamed about what is being said, but, even if only part of it is true and part is invented bragging , it s worthwile to never forget that we are all humans Definitely recommended For sure if you are or were in the military, or are interested in it.

  14. Matthew Tree

    During World War II, the British and Americans bugged the living quarters of several thousand selected German and Italian POWs who they suspected could provide interesting information for the Allied war effort The protocols or transcripts of these conversations, only recently discovered and released, give an extraordinary insight into the mentality of the soldiers fighting on the Fascist Nazi side We discover, among other things, that right from the beginning of the war, German airmen saw Britis [...]

  15. Raul Magdalena

    errordelsistema libro s descubrimiento en el 2001 de 150.000 p ginas de transcripciones de escuchas realizadas a prisioneros de guerra alemanes sin su conocimiento es la base de este libro return returnMuchas veces he le do comentarios y opiniones del tipo la locura nazi , monstruosidad nacionalsolicalista , la demencia de Hitler y por el estilo, sino con las mismas palabras si con otros adjetivos que igualmente denotaban locura, demencia o monstruosidad como explicaci n de los cr menes cometido [...]

  16. Ietrio

    The blurb says a powerful narrative And that says it all A fairy tale based on shallow observations from two academic bureaucrats Medicinal statistics document the level of sexual activity among soldiers At a field hospital in Kiev, for example, doctors spent most of their time treating skin and venereal diseases Of course the folder says skin and venereal diseases But how does the reader know there wasn t a terrible eczema because of the ink used to print the portraits with the beautiful cow li [...]

  17. Lucinda

    This is the most disturbing book I have ever read, by far.It consists of the presentation of secretly recorded conversations that occurred between German POWs while they were being held in camps during the war What these soldiers say, then, presents clearly than any memoir or later testimony, the way they saw things at the time as they occurred Neitzel and Welzer, a historian and social psychologist, attempt to analyze these conversations so as to come to grips with how regular soldiers actuall [...]

  18. Stephanie

    This is a fascinating book The collaboration of historian Neitzel and social psychologist Welzer makes for a very in depth and analytical approach to interpreting the surveillance tapes It does well at taking quotes from the POWs and forming conclusions based upon their conformity or lack thereof to other soldiers, backed up with other research and historical knowledge It looks like good, balanced research, which acknowledges it s limitations but still reaches for reasonable assessments of the m [...]

  19. carltheaker

    Though the title of this book includes the enticing The Secret World War 2 transcripts of German POWs there are precious few of the actual transcripts included,perhaps a dozen or two of the 365 pages The two German authors, one an historian the other a socialpsychologist, typically take a sentence or two from a protocol conversation and examine it in the reference framework reality of the soldiers and explain what they think it all means in theworld of violence, war and the culture of the Reich [...]

  20. Justin

    This is an extraordinary insight into the minds and experiences of German military personnel in the Second World War Based on a heretofore untapped wealth of material recorded secretly between German prisoners of war and indeed Italian and Japanese POWs as well both covered briefly conversing with each other in British and US POW camps, there is an extraordinary candidacy and immediacy that is not present in other sources letters, diaries, interviews and memoirs inevitably present a different st [...]

  21. Marko

    This book is based on tapes found by a German researcher made by eavesdropping German prisoners of war by the British Some times just ad hoc discussions but often initiated by spies The intent was to gather intelligence but the tapes give an insight into the minds of the soldier.It starts interestingly enough and I was captivated up until maybe half way Unfortunately the very dry scientific style added with lots of repetition made the book rather boring to read after that so I actually quit at t [...]

  22. Roberto Carnier

    Soldados um livro importante que relata os aspectos sociais e psicol gicos dos combatentes que lutaram pelo eixo durante a segunda guerra mundial Atrav s de uma pesquisa profunda, poss vel de ser realizada atrav s de transcri es obtidas dos servi os secretos brit nicos e americanos, que relatavam a conversa dos prisioneiros de guerra, obtidas atrav s de escutas implantadas nas celas desses, os autores compilaram diversos aspectos do cotidiano de soldados e oficiais, tais como ideologias, dia a d [...]

  23. Ericafoferica

    I won this book as a Firstreads giveaway.I must say it took me quite awhile to finish due to the large amounts of information and analysis However, I will say that the book gives quite an insight to the minds of the German Nazis during World War II It comes as no shock what most of the Germans thought of the Jews, but to actually read what some of these soldiers really felt was heart wrenching I was surprised to read transcripts of officers in high command who followed through with orders, even [...]

  24. Matti Karjalainen

    S nke Neitzelin ja Harald Welzerin Sotilaat taistelemisesta, tappamisesta ja kuolemisesta Gummerus, 2011 on kiinnostava tietokirja, jossa k sitell n saksalaisten ja osin my s italialaisten sotavankien n kemyksi sotilaan el m st toisen maailmansodan eri rintamilla Liittoutuneet ker siv t kirjan k sittelem n aineiston salakuuntelemalla sotavankien niin tavallisten rivimiesten kuin korkeiden upseerienkin k ymi keskusteluja, ja saivat n in todenn k isesti haltuunsa sellaista tietoa, jota kuulustelij [...]

  25. Erik Graff

    This book, coauthored by an historian and a psychologist, represents an overview of secret recordings made of German POWs during WWII It is at once a history as well as a psycho social study of the military mentality during war While its focus is on German soldiers, its conclusions draw upon hosts of other studies which, together, suggest there is in common between the forces of belligerant countries than there is difference While its focus is on combat, the German attempts at genocide are exte [...]

  26. Zivan

    An interesting combination of History ans Sociology, this book analyzes transcriptions of conversations between German and Italian POWs during WWII.The raw material here is unique in its nature, as opposed to the usual fare of apologetic chronicles written after the fact.Much effort was made to put the recorded conversations into context.Sometimes the author s interpretation of the conversation is redundant as it is very clear what was said, but in most cases I gained insights.I do take issue wi [...]

  27. Brent Venton

    Probably a bit too heavy on social psychology and too scholarly cf the Teutonically exhaustive bibliography to find widespread appeal this is very interesting read nonetheless The highlight is of course the transcripts of secretly recorded conversations of German POWs captured in WW2 While I have my doubts as to whether the author has not heavily edited these unfiltered conversations they are revealing and often chilling While to hear normal every day soldiers speak frankly about liquidating Jew [...]

  28. T. Fowler

    This a fascinating look at the unedited recorded conversations of German POWs held by the Allis during the Second World War, which the authors analyze in an attempt to get insight into the psychology of men who have particpated in war The POWs were unaware that they were being recorded so the comments which arise in casual conversations reveal about the beliefs and characters of these men than formal interviews or memoirs would At the same time, the authors caution that some partcipants are at [...]

  29. M.R. Dowsing

    Co written by a historian and a social psychologist, this book examines recently discovered transcripts of surreptitiously recorded conversations between German prisoners of war during WW2 The prisoners themselves are a fairly mixed bunch some are highly astute, others incredibly stupid, some critical of the Nazi regime, others fanatical believers For many of the prisoners, being witness to violent deaths was routine, and this is reflected in the shockingly casual way they talk about killing The [...]

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